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Local 25 1 post Jul 21, 2010 10:27 PM
Local 25 2 posts Jul 21, 2010 10:38 PM	"there is no democratic process, it's a dictatorship" "there's a lot of people that are afraid to voice there opinions because of threats of retaliation or retribution" "we want members to go to work thinking that they got a secure job, they know that they got livable wages, they know that they got great benefits, they know that they got a retirement that they'll be able to live on, and most important that their families will be taken care of"
Local 25 3 posts Jul 21, 2010 10:39 PM	It's official, Sean Obrien is against everything that John Perry stands for!
Local 25 4 posts Jul 21, 2010 10:44 PM	ORGANIZING
Local 25 5 posts Jul 21, 2010 10:46 PM	"the only way to curb the behavior of a schoolyard bully, is to stand up to him."
rattler 17 posts Jul 21, 2010 11:21 PM	thats why you stay on here and dont go to john
UNITED 82 9 posts Jul 22, 2010 12:52 AM	JOHN WATCH THIS CLIP
rattler 21 posts Jul 22, 2010 4:43 AM	how can any one say what sean obrien thinks this is all part of the lie you idiots try to get ppl to believe you you clowns
Perry Lover 44 posts Jul 22, 2010 9:00 AM	I wouldn't count on O'brien being our savior just yet. We should start cleaning up our own Perry mess first! DUMP, WIPE, FLUSH, PERRY!
THE GOOD GUYS 32 posts Jul 22, 2010 6:42 PM	I hope obrion takes over it will be nice to see a real teamster in charge for a change.
Local 25 6 posts Jul 22, 2010 7:22 PM	how can any one say what sean obrien thinks this is all part of the lie you idiots try to get ppl to believe you you clowns rattler did you watch the videos? The words came out of his mouth, obviously you did not watch. Watch the video, watch the words come out of his mouth. The words out of his mouth is what he thinks. Watch the video rattler, watch the video.
Hambone 36 posts Jul 22, 2010 7:53 PM	Sean Obrien is a good man. He reminds me a lot of Joe Wright. Both are top notch and both truely are Presidential material. They serve their members very well indeed. My hats are off two the two of them.
Joe Wright 62 posts Jul 22, 2010 8:11 PM	Please, nothing against Sean Obrien, but I do not want to be compared to him. I admire him for his organization of many companies, and I admire him for the adoration that his members have for him. I have seen him at Joint Council 10 hearings and do not admire his inability to stand against what he knows is not right. He has always been a gentleman when I have met him. I just believe that he and the entire Joint Council 10 operate like a good 'ole boy network and turn a blind eye to the problems in our local. I also believe that all the Joint Council 10 hearings are fixed, and that they meet before the hearings to choreograph what they are going to do. I will take a lot of heat for what I am saying, but that is part of being independent.
johnnyscadoo 4 posts Jul 23, 2010 3:19 AM	giggiddy giggiddy gooo!!
poland spring 16 posts Jul 25, 2010 4:39 PM	joe how dare you say that about joint council 10 your so paranoid but thats what makes you such a good tdu puke
frank sheeran 50 posts Jul 25, 2010 4:45 PM	Framinghambone.
frank sheeran 51 posts Jul 25, 2010 4:50 PM	Joe, Would you classify Sean O'Brien as a dictator? Could you please explain your answer?
truckdriver 150 posts Jul 26, 2010 1:59 AM	scaduto youll always be a no good pos
John Scaduto 11 posts Jul 26, 2010 5:47 AM	Hey, no balls, keyboard coward, non-union fuck-head whats your real name "pussy" !
Odin 7 posts Jul 26, 2010 5:57 AM	Go get em johnny don't hold back
truckdriver 153 posts Jul 26, 2010 6:19 AM	scaduto im your father
Odin 8 posts Jul 26, 2010 6:30 AM	just another kid you haven't paid for deadbeat dad
Joe Wright 93 posts Jul 26, 2010 7:53 PM	Joe, Would you classify Sean O'Brien as a dictator? Could you please explain your answer? frank, absolutely not. If you watch the video you will see him espousing the benefits of democracy within the Teamsters. I have nothing but respect for the man, he organizes companies, fights for his men, and is a very popular person whenever you speak to anyone in Local 25. My only complaint with the man, is that he knows that our local has a lot of problems, but he turns a blind eye to it at Joint Council 10 hearings. I would like to see him fight for what is right at the JC10 hearings just as vigorously as he fights for his members. I think that my opinion is a fair assessment. Very few people get to see what goes on at these hearings, I have been fortunate enough to see what goes on. The hearings should be open to all Teamsters, so that they could witness the shenanigans.
truckdriver 155 posts Jul 27, 2010 2:18 AM	thats your opinion joe theres no shenanigans
mad as hell 5 posts Jul 27, 2010 4:28 PM	sean obrion is nothing. john is the trade show director obrion is just the boss in 25 and John got us better bennies and better contracts fuck 25 this is team82 team82 team82
Joe Wright 96 posts Jul 27, 2010 4:40 PM	It's your opinion that there is none truckdriver. They all meet before the hearings and choreograph the whole thing, just like you guys do for our union meetings. Do you really think we are all that stupid? Do you think we don't see the visual cues? Do you think we all don't notice that the same guys propose the christmas bonus, the raises, to suspend the meetings for the summer? All completely choreographed. It's so obvious, it's almost funny to watch.
Joe Wright 97 posts Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM	Truckdriver, if there are no shenanigans, then how do you explain Joint Council 10 refusing to allow witnesses to testify at one of my hearings? Fellow brother Teamsters, who took the day off from work to testify the truth at a hearing were denied by Joint Council 10. Dave Laughton and the entire Joint Council 10 board would not allow witnesses to testify. And that is on the up and up? If you review the transcripts of these hearings, or attended them, you would not believe what goes on. I can tell you from first hand experience, that fairness and justice have nothing to do with it.
truckdriver 158 posts Jul 27, 2010 5:53 PM	joe you should see someone about your paranoia see thats the tdu coming out of you
Dot Rat 13 posts Jul 27, 2010 6:23 PM	Prior to the last election a group of, let's call them dissenting members, met on a somewhat regular basis. One of the strategies they employed sounds very much like the candidate has described. Each member was preped on what to say, when to say it and set the stage for the next dissenter. Very similar senario to what the candidate claims happens with supporters of the current leadership. But that I'm sure was refered to as union democracy. We're all entitled to our perspective, perhaps it's our consistency which needs alittle work.
Joe Wright 101 posts Jul 27, 2010 8:54 PM	I'm not denying that it happens on both sides. The difference is when it is used at a meeting, or a hearing, it is being done to curtail democracy, fairness, and justice. It is used as a tool by leadership which is against the oath that they all took, the best interest of the membership. If some dissenters get together to complain about something, it isn't the same as choreographing a raise for the leadership, or some other expense. One is freedom of speech, the other is a blatant disregard for the wishes of the entire membership. Dissenters have no power, except to voice their displeasure. The leadership has the power to do just about anything, and to choreograph a meeting to accomplish their goals is just plain wrong and an abuse of power.
Joe Wright 102 posts Jul 27, 2010 9:12 PM	As usual, no denial that it happens. Just spin trying to compare what those in power do compared to rank and file members. Teamster leaders are held to a higher standard, and well they should be. " “Democracy is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be whether they are the powers that ought to be.”
Joe Wright 103 posts Jul 27, 2010 9:14 PM	If your going to be in this game you need thick skin. I think someone out there has the skin of tissue paper.
truckdriver 159 posts Jul 28, 2010 1:25 PM	joe answer me this did you have a case at joint council 10 forgot to call your witness john c rested your case thenn tried to call him you know the rules tell the members about that
Dot Rat 14 posts Jul 28, 2010 6:50 PM	Geez, Mr. candidate. I was sound asleep by the time you posted. It seems that folks like me with thin skin need extra sleep. Google it. How could I possibly deny what you perceive to be fact. I cannot. I would be arrogant to think that everyone has the same perception as myself. Clearly we see things very differently. This could be based on any number of things, where we were raised, our friends who exerted influence on us, even our families economic situation growing up. When you state that you tell it like it is, I must disagree. I do believe that you do tell it the way you see it. When you say that what's right is right, are we to assume that you are the barometer for justice? When you say that rules must be followed at all times, are you unaware that all rules are subject to interpretation? In reading many of your recent posts, one could infer that you believe that no member has ever experienced a positive experience which could be attributed to union leadership, and got out of bed early on the third Sunday and told their story. Just a few months ago, a member came to me and thanked me for something that I had very little to do with. I told him who was responsible, and that he should go to a meeting and recount his experience. I had no idea what he was going to say. Was this scene choreographed, because I suggested that he attend? I don't think so. "Ethics is a matter of individualism. What may be ethical to you may not be ethical to someone else". James R. Hoffa.
poseidon 57 posts Jul 28, 2010 7:28 PM	Dot rat what is your position on seniority for ALL members? James Hoffa and every other union leader with the exception of John Perry believe it is the cornerstone of unionism. I never heard them say we might get sued if we enforce it.
Joe Wright 104 posts Jul 28, 2010 8:45 PM	Dot Rat the first lesson of ethics is try using your god given name. Interpretation? Are you for real? I'll just give you a few examples, and I'd love to hear your answers, maybe even some day you'll find the courage to debate me under your real name. I know you have aspirations, why not debate me live? Below are some things that I think are wrong, can't wait to hear your spin. 1. One member smashing another member in the face and sending the member to the hospital is wrong, no interpretation necessary. 2. Refusing to take dues from a member because you don't like him is wrong, no interpretation necessary. 3. Refusing to allow a members son to join the union because you don't like that member is wrong. 4. Sitting on the executive board and watching your union leader attack members from the podium when you know that it is not allowed and frankly, ethically bankrupt is wrong. 5. Threatening phone calls to any member by another member is wrong. 6. Calling the police on members is wrong. 7. Taking out a restraining order on a member when you are a union leader is wrong. 8. Bringing people into the union who are well known organized crime figures is not only wrong, it is clearly bringing reproach upon our union. If you need an interpretation for that one, look in the back of the last two teamster magazines you have gotten. 9. Crossing picket lines is wrong. Your union leader encouraging you to cross another unions line and his rabid side kick spitting on your car for refusing to cross is utterly beyond belief. 10. Failing to process grievances and blackballing members who file grievances is wrong. 11. Sneaky, side, cash jobs are wrong. If a company does not have a contract with our local union, the pension fund cannot accept a contribution. So the member is being robbed of pension time whenever one of these jobs occur, and that is wrong. 12. The fact that all the moving barns do not have a contract is wrong. July 28th, can you ever remember not having a contract by July 28th? You really have got to be kidding me. It's not like anyone can say that they have been working on it non stop for days and days? Those are just a quick 12 that came to the top of my head. You may call them open for interpretation, I call it a basic knowledge of right from wrong that we all know as a child. As far as quotes on ethics go, I think you could come up with many, many more people in history that are much more qualified than Mr. Hoffa to speak on ethics.
Joe Wright 105 posts Jul 28, 2010 8:52 PM	“It is curious - curious that physical courage should be so common in the world, and moral courage so rare” “Have the courage to say no. Have the courage to face the truth. Do the right thing because it is right. These are the magic keys to living your life with integrity.” “Relativity applies to physics, not ethics” “Integrity is doing the right thing, even if nobody is watching.” “Live so that when your children think of fairness and integrity, they think of you.” “The most important persuasion tool you have in your entire arsenal is integrity.” “Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful.” “Integrity is telling myself the truth. And honesty is telling the truth to other people.” “Don't worry so much about your self-esteem. Worry more about your character. Integrity is its own reward.”
Joe Wright 106 posts Jul 28, 2010 9:01 PM	Just a few months ago, a member came to me and thanked me for something that I had very little to do with. I told him who was responsible, and that he should go to a meeting and recount his experience. I'd love to hear more about this positive story, can you elaborate or is it a big secret? Look I'm not saying that everything the union does is wrong. What I am saying, is that when the union does something wrong, we all need to speak out against it, that's all. Can you give one example of when the union has done something wrong and you have spoken out publicly against it Dot Rat?
Joe Wright 107 posts Jul 28, 2010 9:38 PM	Dot Rat, a very good friend of mine once said "You can sleep when your dead". I like when you call me Mr. Candidate. I want to ask you one thing. Name one person in this entire local that has or will do what I do. Name one person, who has, or will make themselves available to the entire membership, under his own name, and answer questions. Answer questions from anonymous posters. Answer questions from those that are throwing insults, or may dislike me. Name one other person who has made themselves an open book as much as I have? No one even comes close. Like me or not, there is not another person in this entire union that is as transparent as I am. There is not another person in this union that would allow people to insult and criticize himself on a web site that he controls. Name one, name one other person, honestly! I am here, in your face, ready to answer questions and comment on union issues. I'm not hiding, I'm not waiting, I'm not planning a secret attack or a last minute candidacy. I'm not waiting until the last minute so people won't have as much time to criticize me. Here I am, being a candidate, and I am definitely running for office. Most likely running for President, but I will not rule anything out, except for being on a slate.
Joe Wright 108 posts Jul 28, 2010 9:57 PM	Good night Dot Rat, I like your posts. You make good points, and debate with an intelligent style. We may never agree, but good, clean, debate is what democracy is all about. Democracy, not TDU, but democracy, the type of government that our forefathers fought so hard for. The type of government we are lucky enough to have in our country AND in OUR union.
Hambone 42 posts Jul 29, 2010 4:23 AM	Joe , what ever position you run for you have my vote!
truckdriver 163 posts Jul 29, 2010 4:43 AM	joe i wonder when your going to tell the men about your case at JC10 that rested your case because you forgot to call john c you wanted to reopen it you cant do that you know the rules
THE GOOD GUYS 34 posts Jul 29, 2010 6:26 AM	Joe truckdriver would appear to indicate that your charge had merit but due to corruption by jc10 you were denied a chance to get all the facts on the table. You will be glad to know that the IRB is well aware of what took place.
truckdriver 166 posts Jul 30, 2010 12:08 PM	joe rested his case so gay guys get it straight
COCHISE 18 posts Jul 30, 2010 3:29 PM	How does truckdriver know these things? Perry has laughton and the buys club do wrong by Joe but the times are so different now....
truckdriver 168 posts Jul 30, 2010 3:56 PM	joe wright has no credibility
Hambone 44 posts Jul 30, 2010 4:04 PM	Your wrong not a truckdriver! Joe puts his name to his credability,you DON'T scabbit!
Dot Rat 15 posts Aug 01, 2010 4:49 PM	Thanks for your patience, Mr. Candidate. Let me ask you how I should refer to you as? Mr. Candidate seems to have agitated you. I'm sorry, not my objective. There may very well be "many, many people in history that are more qualified than Mr. Hoffa to speak on ethics". If I earned my living picking strawberries, I would have chosen a quote from Cesar Chavez, but I"m a Teamster. You provided many quotes on the subject, all giving some one Else's thoughts on ethics. Why I chose the quote from James R. Hoffa is because he acknowledges that his view may not be shared by all. He is respectful to the fact that other views exist. Unlike yourself, Jimmy Hoffa did not strictly adhere to the rules, yet he remains the most effective leader our union has ever known. A strong argument could be made that he is the most effective leader organized labor has ever known. I have never questioned your ethics. I have merely attempted to have you question your practice of questioning others. I really don't like to use quotes from other people but allow me one more. "I can't be doing this all day". Vince from Sham Wow. I'm not suggesting that my schedule is more hectic than any other members', but twelve points to ponder and comment on. I'll have to pick and chose. I'll take numbers 9 and 8, please. I crossed a picket line before at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The picket line was by a carpenter local against us, Teamsters Local 82 and a company with a local 82 contract. This was not wrong and I would do it again in a second. Now number eight on your list. Seems we both eagerly await the arrival of our Teamster magazine. When mine arrives I immediately rip out the pages at the back, crumple them up angrily and throw them in the trash. I will never write, contribute to the writing or read anything that could cost any brother or sister the ability to provide for themselves and their often long suffering families. The day that I start performing background checks on working people is the day that I throw my union book away, with those crumpled up pages. You know my real name, I emailed it to you. I believe I informed you of all of my 47 names. If it makes you happy go ahead and post it. No, Dot Rat is not my birth name. My mother and father gave me my name. SO God gave you your name. That would explain a lot. Last Edited on 1-Aug-2010 4:57 PM
Joe Wright 129 posts Aug 02, 2010 9:23 PM	Dot Rat, don't leave it up to me, be a man and come out with your name. You have ambitions, that's fine. What are you going to do hide in the shadows? You have stood by allowing things that you know are wrong to happen. So you are saying you don't care about our Teamster rules, well I do. According to OUR Teamster rules, there are certain individuals that harm our entire organization. Maybe you are willing to ignore that, but I am not. The Teamsters union is more important than the selfish needs of certain individuals who care about themselves only and have no care for the harm that they cause our great organization. If someone has made mistakes in the past, that's fine, as long as they realize that what they did was wrong. There is no room in the Teamsters for gangsters and gangster worshipers. I read the entire teamster magazine, cover to cover. The back is just as important as the rest, because it shows the reality that our organization has serious problems, and still requires oversight. The difference between us is I want to fix the problems and make our union better. You want to ignore our problems, act like they don't exist, and pretend that everything is perfect in our union. Well my friend it isn't. That is reality. If you have ambitions, the members want to know what you are going to do for them. They want to know if you will fight for them. They want to know if your fine with the status quo. If you have no ambitions, then it all doesn't matter. But if you do, someday your going to have to take a stance. And by the way, God given name is just a saying, and I referred to your God given name, not mine. Nice try to twist it though, you guys are good at twisting the truth. You talk about Hoffa's views? He wasn't talking about his views in the quote, he was talking about ethics. The quote says "Ethics is a matter of individualism. What may be ethical to you may not be ethical to someone else".
Joe Wright 130 posts Aug 02, 2010 9:26 PM	Definitions of ethics on the Web: ethical motive: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong the philosophical study of moral values and rules Ethics (also known as moral philosophy) is a branch of philosophy which seeks to address questions about morality; that is, about concepts such as good and bad, right and wrong, justice, and virtue.